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Old 29th October 2009, 20:37
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Default A new install

There's not really much point to this post, but it's something that I wanted to share since it'll probably strike a note with most of you.

A relative had a laptop (with Vista) that became not only riddled with viruses (virii?) and other assorted malware, but she also had her bank account hacked (probably as a result of a phishing scheme, not malware.) At that point, she was reluctant to use the PC at all, even after de-lousing it.

I offered to restore the laptop (and Vista) back to the factory-installed condition for her. Since I've also gone on and on about Linux, she asked if I could install that, too. Although I hate doing something like this that will make me responsible for it forever, I jumped at the chance.

It only took about two hours to restore Windows; that was a surprise. But things went downhill from there. Three and a half days of Windows updates followed, with numerous reboots each day. Unfortunately, on the second day of updates I made a mistake and allowed some "recommended" updates, not just the ones listed as "important". There was something in there that screwed up both the laptop's video (it couldn't load a video driver) and the ethernet interface (driver again.) I couldn't fix either, and couldn't back out of the updates, so I used Windows Restore and went back to the previous restore point. At least that worked right (which surprised the hell out of me!) I resumed my updates, scrupulously avoiding those non-critical ones.

On the third day, I finally got the first Service Pack, then the second one. (And only one update after that.) Almost done. Well, in the sense of Windows being up-to-date. I still had all the necessary applications to reload, starting with the antivirus and firewall. (Zonealarm wouldn't install without at least SP1 present, so I couldn't do it earlier.)

Another half a day of application installations and it was done. Whew! By now it was 7 pm on the fourth day (I'm not working, so I have all day to screw around with this stuff), and I'm itching to install Linux. I partition the drive - Compaq/HP always gives you one big partition with Windows (and a recovery one you shouldn't mess with) - into Windows, Data, and unallocated space for Linux to use. I pop in the Linux Mint CD and boot up, then start my install.

Two hours later, I have a complete install - the initial install (maybe half an hour), all the accumulated updates since Mint 7 came out (maybe another hour at most to download and install them), and half an hour of customizing Linux. You know - installing VLC, Opera, Audacious, Desktop Drapes, .... wait, that's it. Nothing else needed - no codecs, Adobe Flash, or anything. Everything's already there. Even the wireless worked as soon as I selected Broadcomm's driver. So, within two hours of starting. I was surfing the internet on the newly loaded laptop. Even with a dinner break during that time.

Hmm.... two hours versus four days. Makes you wonder.


I haven't yet given the laptop back; when I do, I'll spend a few minutes pointing out the Firefox and Opera icons on the taskbar, and mention the directories I created for photos, music, etc. Not too much else to mention, plus I find that people tune out instructions after five minutes or so. (That must be why it takes years to learn anything.) I just hope the owner gives Linux a chance, rather than ignoring it. I'm stacking the deck, though, since I left Mint as the default boot selection.
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Old 29th October 2009, 20:47
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Since I've also gone on and on about Linux, she asked if I could install that, too. Although I hate doing something like this that will make me responsible for it forever, I jumped at the chance.

Hmm.... two hours versus four days. Makes you wonder.
LOL. I also get scared about being responsible for someone else's PC if I do convince them to try Linux.


I remember the same thing. Windows Updates are painfully slow, and the same thing happened to me. I was updating a different system with a new install of Vista Ultimate 64bit and the update froze on me. I had to do a hard shutdown and restart.

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I will never go back to Windoze

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LOL. I also get scared about being responsible for someone else's PC if I do convince them to try Linux.


I remember the same thing. Windows Updates are painfully slow, and the same thing happened to me. I was updating a different system with a new install of Vista Ultimate 64bit and the update froze on me. I had to do a hard shutdown and restart.

BAD Memories
I will never go back to Windoze

Thanks for sharing Bob.
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Default Planing to Install

I'm planing to install Linux (Unbuntu) too, planing it for a about a year.

It has to be be an evolutinary process, because I can not trash/replace all the WIN-Programms, I need (the office software should be not the problem).

System is XP, a separate HDD (250 GB) for Linux is ready to install.

So there is the point with dual boot: I don't trust it. (Can you tell me you experiances with the dual boot system WIN/Linux?).

My idea to avoid this:
Starting with the hardware boot option of my mainboard. So I wouldn't need the dual boot option. Right?
While testing/booting from the Linux-CD: all my (Win-) Harddrives where avalible and accesible too.

My next questions (I will place in the right threads) in a few days:
- Installing printers and scanners ?
- Installing a DOS-shell/-emulator ? No, I don't want to play old games primary.
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Old 29th July 2011, 16:29
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I think that you should have very little to fear installing Linux in a dual-boot configuration. It's pretty much a standard installation - I'd guess that more people have dual-boot systems than Linux-only systems, either because they only wanted to check out Linux or because they didn't want to limit their options. Dual-boot is fairly foolproof - I've never had any issue with it, other than a Windows Service Pack removing the Linux option from it a few years ago. Took me 20 minutes to reinstall Linux, although I later found out that I could have simply restored the option by using the Linux CD without a reinstall.

All four of my PC's are dual-boot, although I only use Windows on one PC. Windows hasn't even been booted on two of them for at least two years. (I left Windows on them just in case I ever need to use it for something.)

You might re-think your intention of installing Ubuntu, though, unless you plan to use version 10.10 or older. The latest version (11.04) uses a different desktop (Unity), which may look and work in a manner completely alien to you. Although I've always liked (and appreciated) Ubuntu in the past, I detest Unity - I didn't like it on my Netbook, for which Unity was originally designed, and won't even consider using it on my PC's now. Personally, I only use Linux Mint, which offers many of Ubuntu's features but not the Unity desktop. It's the old, tried-and-true Gnome 2.x desktop. Mint also has its own enhancements, which are quite useful. There are a number of Linux distributions that are suitable; it's just a matter of being comfortable with one. I used to hop between distros, just to check them out, but I settled on Mint a few years ago. Now I only test other distributions (via thumb drive, which is more responsive than a CD and also allows me to install apps and customize the installation) to check out particular features that I'm not familiar with (like all the other desktop environments - KDE, Gnome 3, Xfce, Lxde, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, Unity, etc.)

I've installed Linux for a number of my relatives, both young and old, and have never had a complaint. Even my father, in his 80's, had no trouble adjusting to it. Surprisingly (at least to me), it's being used daily on every one of those PC's, even though it's in a dual-boot configuration with Windows. Of course, many of those PC's are a few years old and Windows was so sluggish that it became painful to use - that's why they asked me to install Linux. But I even had a request to dual-boot my brother's new Windows 7, multi-core laptop - he liked Linux on his previous (Windows Vista) laptop that much.
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My experience w/ multiboot systems is that as long as everything is set up properly and you aren't writing to any of the other OS partitions you should never have a problem - if each one is on it's own hard drive. I'm partial to that way. If not, the worst Windows should be able to do is write over the bootloader and that can be fixed with a rescue CD. Depending on the CD or your install media you may not have a GUI. I'm perfectly comfortable popping in the latest Debian netinst and getting it to the point that I can switch over to the dvds with tarballs on them.

I'm partial to the Debian based distros. They're easy enough that my boss, who tunes out 2 seconds before the first computer word, can use something like Mint. The other thing to remember is that pretty much every distro is the same aside from the DE or WM and the admin tools.

However, I don't think people should blame Windows as much as they do. Even though you couldn't pay me to use Vista/7 for personal use I'm rather agnostic regarding OS & hardware choices. The advantage to this is that because of Linux I've never lost the ability to read and learn via observation (aka what the fuck just happened) and experience (aka why the fuck did I think that was a good idea?). In a recent case, a co-worker brought me one of those little Intel Atom powered netbooks. The previous owner had royally buggered the things w/ virii despite an AV package, and attempts to clean it left the system as slow as ever. Get restore media, hook up an external dvd drive, and find out the damned thing is still slow. I couldn't even get Windows Update to open. Start to disable anything that might slow it down. By this point I'm paying attention after each change to how the internal drive (an SSD) is reacting. I've eliminated plenty of things and it's getting faster bit by bit, but it's still hitting that poor SSD too much and bogging down there. I found a driver to alter the behavior after getting to a very specific question, and lo and behold the thing starts pulling up web pages almost as fast as my i7.

Each bit narrower you can make your question improves the chance of a good answer. This is true for any OS now, past or in the likely future. If we could only solve the PEBKAC issues external to the hardware....
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I'm planing to install Linux (Unbuntu) too, planing it for a about a year.

It has to be be an evolutinary process, because I can not trash/replace all the WIN-Programms, I need (the office software should be not the problem).

System is XP, a separate HDD (250 GB) for Linux is ready to install.

So there is the point with dual boot: I don't trust it. (Can you tell me you experiances with the dual boot system WIN/Linux?).

My idea to avoid this:
Starting with the hardware boot option of my mainboard. So I wouldn't need the dual boot option. Right?
While testing/booting from the Linux-CD: all my (Win-) Harddrives where avalible and accesible too.

My next questions (I will place in the right threads) in a few days:
- Installing printers and scanners ?
- Installing a DOS-shell/-emulator ? No, I don't want to play old games primary.
Just trust the software and do a traditional dual-boot. If you do it the way you are thinking of then you'll have to enter bios and change the boot oder every time you start the computer.

It was extremely scary the first time I did a dual installation as well, I actually chickened out and did it on my girls laptop first...shhh!, but it's extremely simple and very straight forward, especially with Ubuntu which is pretty much made to dual-boot.
My main computer is actually a triple-boot, XP, 7 and Ubuntu, and in total I've probably done 15 dual installations from both fresh installs to existing ones without one problem. Honestly Linux makes it so easy.

So trust the software and give it a shot. Just make sure to back everything up, just in case.


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I've been scary because a dual boot header bent the pointer in the start sequencens to an other point on the system disk.

I was reflecting of a way out; not ideal - starting the system via bootmanager of the hardware.

I think I will go the "risk" and run it with dual boot. Thanks to all who dispel my doubts.


Thank you 'bigfatbob' for the warning on the new desktop of Unbuntu (I would have steped into this "trap"). I do have an older version to install (must be 10.X), but I will first test the new version too.
The old version (10.X) hasn't been a problem at all for me - while testing on the CD version.
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I'm just trying Ubuntu now ( fighting with the English keyboard layout a.t.m. ).

I think the version 11 is a bit less user friendly to me than the version 10. Or may be more strange.
Like I've told you before: no problem at all with version 10 .

What is remarkable: the version 11 offers a possibility to switch the screen/workplace, what s a nice feature.
Does this work with Ver. 10 too ? couldn't find it. [EDIT: YES]

Meanwhile I've found my IDE adapter => ready to install on my former HD (250 GB).

Now I have enough of this keyb. layout

Next: Printer/Scanner installation.....
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Have installed Ubuntu 10.04 /64 successfully now.

But starting like I discribed at first with the hardware bootselector (I only have to push ESC to choose which HD drive to start).

BTW: I would suggest everybody to choose (if possible) a seperate HD soltion if you install Linux. If not, than you having a more or less big area, Windows can't access (Linux can). And too you have to install a Dual Boot option.

If I decide reward - to trash Linux - I only have to remove/format the drive.
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