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Old 8th January 2014, 07:16
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being compared to Brock Lesnar is not a bad thing. Not when the bottom line is concerned.
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Ronda's one trick is a very good trick. I don't see her losing anytime soon. I don't know much about her to be honest. I didn't know she existed before she came to UFC. From what I've seen, she is the villain. MMA borrowing from pro wrestling, like Floyd Mayweather does in boxing. More people want to see the villain get beat.
Yeah, she doesn't mind playing the heel, as she puts it. As for her trick, she's an olympic level judoka, anyone who thinks that the only move she has learned, in some 15 yrs of training, is the armbar, needs to have themselves looked at by a competent physician and/or head shrinker.

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I'm sure Dana White hopes she does a small % of the business Brock did for UFC. Hey Seven Churches. I think I know you from somewhere. I watched most of Brock MMA fights. you're right. He never really had a chance because of his diverticulitis.

Aurman, I wasn't taking him seriously either. The Shane Carwin fight he took some beating, but came back to win. It was amazing to see him coming back from that because he was out so long before it. He was on his way down.

Velasquez didn't waste any time with him and by the time he fought Overeem he was shot as a fighter.

I've heard the rumors about him coming back to MMA as well, but I don't see much point in it even if he is healthy. I do agree that if he was healthy at the time then who knows how he might have ended up. He might still be there. Maybe pride makes him fight again at some point. I doubt it though. In the end us WWE fans benefited from his misfortune.
Yeah, he was a good fighter, took on some tough opponents, even beat some of them but with his health, his fighting career didn't take off the way it could have. Seems every few months a rumor of Brock returning to the UFC comes up, he was as popular a fighter there as he is with the WWE I suppose.
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Yeah, sorry about that. Those questions are pretty well loaded aren't they?



Agreed. I think I understand this now, the difference is coming from the meaning applied to the symbolic gesture. You employ it as a courtesy to your opponent, a sign of respect purely on the athletic/competative level. Ronda seems to view it more as a sign of friendship/respect, almost akin to a hug, a near affectionate interaction with someone whom you hold in fairly high regard.



Again, I don't think she views it that way at all. This seems to be boiling down to a very small difference in the perceived meaning of the handshake.




Hahahahahahaha! True, very true.




Oh, I didn't mean you're the only one, just the only one I have any sort of regular interaction with. Also, the only one I could hope to get a meaningful, intelligent response from. Soooooooo many others airing their displeasure on various other sites...not the most reasonable chaps let me tell you, so I turned to you for a look behind the curtain.

So now, thanks to your help, I think I can see both sides of this thing. I actually share your view on the matter of sportsman-like, or sportswoman-like conduct. At the same time, I instinctively understood where Ronda was coming from so I guess I was confused that so many others did not.

She has no respect for Miesha Tate as a person, and since the handshake, to her apparently, is more a sign of friendship than passing courtesy, it would make no sense for her to do it. She would be going against everything she was raised to believe about how one conducts oneself in the world if she did, so kudos to her for standing firm in her principles.

I think it is a shame that so many are angry with her for going against tradition, as it were, and not taking a moment to consider her side of it. I definitely agree with you that there is alot to like about her and I think, with time, you and many who currently share your view, will come to at least respect that she is possibly deserving of some leeway in this matter. She is a fairly unique individual, I think she has a bit more of a martial artists view than a combat-sports/athlete view of things, the shows of respect seem a bit more meangingful in her eyes and so cannot be doled out simply as a matter of course.




Well, I can certainly agree with that

Although, while dull, the world would likely also be a whole lot safer, no need to invade or drop bombs and such if everyone is on the same page...I think I'd take dull anyday if such were the case.
Great - so we're cool then,



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Except that Ronda has only trashed talked with Miesha, she's shown nothing but respect to every other opponent. Everyone that trains with her talks about how humble and eager to learn she is, checks her ego at the door so to speak. I think it was Rener Gracie who said something to the effect of her having the attitude of a white belt yet the skills of a black belt.
That certainly is not the case given that she was booed by just about everyone at the arena in the last fight. Maybe you didn't hear what everyone else did watching it on TV?

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Soooo, ever improving striking and wrestling, world class judo and high level jiu-jitsu are all "one-trick"?....that's quite a trick
Um...okay...
Trick, Brook ended his fights with a side choke, Rousey is doing it by arm bar. Both take the fight to the ground to make their move to end the fights....until I see her do other wise, one move to end a fight is a one trick pony. She did NOT show in the last fight she could do anything else, she worked at taking Tate to the ground and trying to get the arm bar over and over again, and she finally got it and won the match.

Now granted until someone stops her then she should keep doing it, just as Brook did until others stood there and pounded his face until he dropped like a rock or quit. But that doesn't make her world class at anything Other than Arm-bar. When she can end fights by other moves or through strikes I will always says as others feel that she is a One-Trick Pony.

As for Brooks's "Diverticulitis" he said over and over again he was ready to fight and willing to fight as that he was very healthy, if he wasn't then he should have never stepped into the ring in the first place!
If he did it to collect a big pay day then I dislike him even worse because he then in affect took the fight on false pretenses, and thus robbed every fan out of what should have been a fair and good fight, and that shows me he has little respect for the sport or the fans.

I don't feel sorry for Brook in any way he treated the sport and the fans like shit so I could care less about him and his well being.
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Brooke, lol? How does everyone see Cormier/Evans going?
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I am going with Rashad. If it was Cormier's second fight at that weight-class, I might have chosen him over Evans.

It could be a great fight, though.
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Damn it!!! Just found out that my cable provider won't be showing TUF Nations which starts 15th Jan. I was really looking forward to it.

Any chance some of you guys might be able to post episodes? A big request I know, but there's no harm in asking.

Or maybe you know somewhere that ups that kind of content (if you do - don't post links to sites - send me a PM).

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I am going with Rashad. If it was Cormier's second fight at that weight-class, I might have chosen him over Evans.

It could be a great fight, though.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards Rashad myself, but I'm not so sure. We'll see, depending on how Cormier's weight cut goes.
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Great - so we're cool then,

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Hahahahaha! Love the dog's whole "Well put her there pal!" movement.


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What the?!! LMFAO!!! Okay, if you have a bunch of these saved then it may be a new thread requirement for you to start posting them regularly. Maybe one a week or as your sig or something

Honestly, that looks more like circus bear-fu than monkey style and is that Ken Shamrock fighting monkey-circus bear-man there?
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That certainly is not the case given that she was booed by just about everyone at the arena in the last fight. Maybe you didn't hear what everyone else did watching it on TV?
Um, yeah man, I heard it, they were booing her for not shaking Tate's hand at the finish. What, though, does that have to do with her interactions with all of her other opponents and everyone she trains with in and out of her regular camp?

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Trick, Brook ended his fights with a side choke, Rousey is doing it by arm bar. Both take the fight to the ground to make their move to end the fights....until I see her do other wise, one move to end a fight is a one trick pony. She did NOT show in the last fight she could do anything else, she worked at taking Tate to the ground and trying to get the arm bar over and over again, and she finally got it and won the match.
Brock only ended one fight, the Carwin fight, with a head and arm choke. I think most of his other victories were by T.K.O.

Ronda displayed improved striking, with a good amount of power to it, plus jiu-jitsu. She was not so much working for her takedowns as she was tossing Miesha like a ragdoll, ending in top position, ground and pounding Tate and then looking for a finish with her favorite submission, a move she only looked for 3 maybe 4 times in the whole fight, the last time of course being the last time.


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Now granted until someone stops her then she should keep doing it, just as Brook did until others stood there and pounded his face until he dropped like a rock or quit. But that doesn't make her world class at anything Other than Arm-bar. When she can end fights by other moves or through strikes I will always says as others feel that she is a One-Trick Pony.
Brock's stand-up needed work and that fact was exploited by his opponents, I'll grant you that.

So you think an olympic medalist in judo only knows one judo technique? I do agree with you though, as long as her opponents can't stop it why change it up.

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As for Brooks's "Diverticulitis" he said over and over again he was ready to fight and willing to fight as that he was very healthy, if he wasn't then he should have never stepped into the ring in the first place!
If he did it to collect a big pay day then I dislike him even worse because he then in affect took the fight on false pretenses, and thus robbed every fan out of what should have been a fair and good fight, and that shows me he has little respect for the sport or the fans.

I don't feel sorry for Brook in any way he treated the sport and the fans like shit so I could care less about him and his well being.
Most fighters enter the octagon injured in some way, only those injuries significant enough to pose severe, longterm health risks keep them from fighting. That's a large part of the reason they're called fighters, it's as much a mentality/approach to life as it is an occupation for them.
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Brooke, lol? How does everyone see Cormier/Evans going?
Yeah, maybe some spellcheck, unless he was doing it on purpose.

These days I think it is a matter of if Rashad shows up. If he comes in like he did against Sonnen, motivated and fit for battle I'd give him the edge. Cormier is a beast, no doubt and ridiculously strong (basically dead-lifted Josh Barnett) but his striking is not as dynamic as Rashads and I don't know if he has as much power in his strikes as Rashad does.

Cormier's wrestling is amazing, obviously, but I think Rashad's may be good enough to counter wrestle and keep it on the feet where he should have the advantage. Also, I don't know what Cormier's chin is like. Rashad, while he did get knocked out by Machida, survived an onslaught from Rampage and was able to recover and win the fight. Whatever power Cormier has in his strikes I don't think it is anywhere near the level of Rampage Jackson so it'd be unlikely he could get the knockout whereas Rashad can get the K.O. with fists or kicks.

This and the main event look to be some serious fun
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